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05-29-2009 7:55 AM   
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Just want to start a guide on Divine composing. PPL please add to this if you know more and if you catch any error.



1. Only Divine Eudemons can be divine composed, and only gods can do divine composing. Divine eudemons including - any 40+* pets that had been apotheosized, or unicorns. Note - saintO and SaintXO can NOT be composed in any way. They can only be used as minors.



2. Gold Crown SaintO and SaintXO - do not be fooled by the gold crown. Gold Crown SaintO and SaintXO are useless, unless the gold crown is on Wisdom or Spirit attributes. If you are lucky enough to get gold crown Wisdom/Spirit SaintO and saintXO, remember they are priceless. If you decide to sell them, broadcast it and take the best offer. Under no circumstances you should sell them for less than 1000 eps.



3. Divine euds have three divine attributes - valor, which is the main divine attribute, and spirit and wisdom as minor divine attributes. Valor can be improved with main divine composing using saintO or saintXO as minor. Spirit and Wisdom cab be improved with better spirit or wisdom saintO and XO (for more information about the price of good spirit/wisdom saintO/XO, go to the end of this post)



4. Main divine composing to improve Valor -Divne euds starts asking 4.8* minor (SaintXO), and when valor of the main pet is 40 (sharp), it will ask 6* minor, and when valor is 55 (sharp) it will ask for 12* minor. It does not ask for 8* minor, wonder why TQ sells 8*. When valor is 70 it starts asking for 19* minor (no 15*, 18* stage). OK dragatk reported ' 20* req is 95 valor  and 25* req is 120 valor '. Wonder what could be next. The requirement on minor depends on valor attribute of the main pet ALONE. Other attributes DO NOT affect it.



The star mark from valor is 2000 when valor is 120 (25* minor stage), 1500 when valor is 95 (20* minor stage), 1000 when valor is 70 (19* minor stage), 700 when valor is 55 (12* minor stage), 400 when valor is 40 (6* minor stage).



5. Main divine composing generally gives more mark than its counterpart in regular main composing. It is a lot cheaper to do main divine composing than regular main composing - note that I said cheaper, not cheap. It is not cheap, but cheaper than the regular main composing. Once your pets is 40* above, you should stick to divine composing for a while, and calculate eps needed per star mark gain and use the method that is cheaper.



5. Minor divine composing - it could give a lot of mark. So pay attention to the spirit/wisdom of your saintO and saintXO. See more information about this at the end.



6. SaintO - the saintO you buy from shopping mall is good for one thing and one thing only - to rehatch and get good minor divine attributes and use them in minor divine composing.



7. Use of clovers in divine main composing - A few things to consider 1. Are you good at getting dice to 5 or 6 most of the time? 2. How much RB your pet has left, and 3. what is the requirement on minor. If you are good at getting 5 or 6 dice, you are expert and you don't need this guide. So you are not good at it, then I suggest using clovers when it asks for 6* minor or more. If your pets has no rb left - damn you are a freak, and if you still need this guide, you suck and I don't know how come you still need this guide. Joking or not - no RB left = using clover.



The bottom line of using clover is cost issue - right now the gold to ep ratio is about 100 ep = 18.8 million gold. 18.8 million gold is roughly 23 clovers. You should be able to save more than 100 eps in 23 composing using clovers (if you are not good at getting 5 or 6 dice). So you should use it. But RB/Prentice RB/ID composing/Special EXP balls/How urgent you want to star up could complicate this a little bit. This is true to regular main composing, and is not the main point of this post so not going to present details about this here.



8. Use of minor of higher than required quality - for example, use 8* minor when it asks for 6*. I did not experience this, but I think it will help. Guess this only applies to 4.8* and 6* minor stage. If any one experientmented this, please report here. Please report only if you have done so over 20 times.



9. Orb composing - after 600 orb points it is more expensive to do orb than divine composing (unless it reachs 19* minor). However, since divine composing is cheaper, it is recommended to get to 40* as fast as possible - that means you should consider doing a lot of orb to make 40*.



A little information on the price of good spirit or wisdom saintO/SaintXO. The max values for Spirit and Wisdom are 60. Question - How much is Spirit 50 or any other value SaintO worth? A good measure is to compare to HPGR. The max HPGR is 62.5, which is similar to max Spirit or Wisdom. So the chance of hatching Spirit=50 saintO/XO is similar to getting HPGR=50 pet - and you should know how much HPGR=50 is worth for any pet. Price of XO with any value spirit/wisdom should be similar to price of same HPGR pet.



Right now good spirit/wisdom saintO/XO are way overpriced in market. Give it sometime, the price will drop as more and more people hatching good ones.


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05-29-2009 11:49 AM   
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Haha, I've seen so many idiots selling gold crown/silver crown SaintO/XO's for like 1500eps. Those gold crown/silver crown SaintO/XO's are useless, they don't even have high spirit or wisdom.


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05-30-2009 3:01 AM   
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Lol, g0d, agree with that. Well, they are not idiots themselves, just thinking others are. Probably some noobs got scammed that way.


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05-30-2009 7:30 AM   
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Nice thread, good the newcomers ^^ (and who came back like me lol).


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06-02-2009 2:18 AM   
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About. 6* requirement. Using 8* at 6* minor does not help in divine compose. Like you say main attribute for divine compose is valor. So compose points come from there. Not those saintxo's main attribute in this case minpatk and maxpatk if i am not wrong. Lazy to check anyway.  Nice effort and good guide btw. Thumbs up!




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06-02-2009 9:42 AM   
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Updated the requirement on main divine composing (for 19* minor), and Orb composing vs. divine composing


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06-02-2009 12:24 PM   
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20* req is 95 valor and 25* req is 120 valor



BTW I disagree with your comparison to an HPGR uni. HPGR gives a maximum of 150 star marks whereas a saint both spirit or wisdom give 5 star marks. So therefore the price is considerably higher.

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06-02-2009 3:40 PM   
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Quote: Originally Posted by dragattack
20* req is 95 valor and 25* req is 120 valor



BTW I disagree with your comparison to an HPGR uni. HPGR gives a maximum of 150 star marks whereas a saint both spirit or wisdom give 5 star marks. So therefore the price is considerably higher. [color=red]Last edited by dragattack on 06-02-2009 at 02:59:16 PM.[/colo ...




Thanks for the info. Do you happen to remember what was the star mark from valor when valor was 95 and 120?



For comparison to HPGR - The price of those pets are mainly determined by supply and demand. The supply would be determined by the chance of hatching good spirit/wisdom. The chance you hatch a spirit 55 SaintO should be very similar to the chance you get a HPGR 50 SaintO. If you are paying 1.5 k eps for a spirit 55 sainto, you should re-think and maybe re-hatching 750 times (with 1.5k eps) could give you more.



Of course the demand of SaintO/Xo is much higher because everyone needs them and maybe not everyone realized that they should do the re-hatching themselves. 

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06-02-2009 7:56 PM   
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95 is 15* and 120 is 20*



I agree that 1500eps is too much for a 55 saint but I would only really consider buying a 59 or above as they are very hard to hatch. Look at it this way too - it is possible to buy an hpgr uni from TQ but you cannot buy a saint uni on spirit or wisdom. That and the possibility of some serious star marks makes it worth more than a uni0 hpgr.



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06-03-2009 4:44 PM   
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2. How much RB your pet has left


Why oh why does this matter?

Sure you don't get the point off the reborn time, But the limit actually means nothing. You can compose way past it.


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06-04-2009 8:07 AM   
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i had a gold crown one which has like 75 pdef

sold ot for 150eps

i hope the noobs aint stupid enough to fall for it

like king unicorns....

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06-05-2009 11:30 AM   
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Quote: Originally Posted by dragattack
95 is 15* and 120 is 20*


Any idea how to get 25* minor or even 30* minor? As far as I can see, the you can not compose SaintO or XO, the only way is to use prentice rb, luck potion, (maybe ID composing) to increase its star mark. Unless you get 25* XO from event, you can not keep composing at 25* or 30* stage.



Not that I will be spending that much into that stage. Just a curious question.



Quote: Originally Posted by D0C
2. How much RB your pet has left


Why oh why does this matter?

Sure you don't get the point off the reborn time, But the limit actually means nothing. You can compose way past it.

Last edited by D0C on 06-03-2009 at 04:45:06 PM. ...


As I said, this is not really the main point of this post. But let me get into a little details since it is brought up. You dont have to agree with me though.



How much rb left is relevant for the same reason that  ID composing, prentice rb, etc are relevant to the use of clovers. This has nothing to do with the ability to compose after rb used up. It is merely a cost issue. It is subtle, but definitely relevant, and it is relevant to regular main composing just the same as divine main composing.



It is only relevant when the minors are cheap. For example, If you compose 100 times with clover, you get 100 mark from 100 rb, and 300 mark from main attribute improvement. Lets say you add 10 pentice rb to it (or 10 ID composing, and the red stone price is suddently a factor). The cost is 100 clovers + 100 minors + 10 prentice rb, and you get 410 mark. Now lets say you do not use clovers, and you need to do 110 composing to get the same 300 mark from main attributes. The cost is 110 minors and you get 410 mark. to get the same 410 mark, you used different things in these two ways, and they have different cost, depending on the price of the minors. Careful calculation can determine which one is cheaper.



But if your pet does not have rb left, you dont get the rb point from each composing anymore, you would have to re-do the calculation in the example above. This is why whether your pet has rb left is relevant. Maybe not that much difference, but it is relevant anyway.

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06-06-2009 2:55 PM   
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I didnt think about making them I'm just using the ones from class pkt but yea adding rbs would do it specially on a high star hatch - slow process tho.



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06-12-2009 7:22 PM   
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As I said, this is not really the main point of this post. But let me get into a little details since it is brought up. You dont have to agree with me though.



How much rb left is relevant for the same reason that  ID composing, prentice rb, etc are relevant to the use of clovers. This has nothing to do with the ability to compose after rb used up. It is merely a cost issue. It is subtle, but definitely relevant, and it is relevant to regular main composing just the same as divine main composing.



It is only relevant when the minors are cheap. For example, If you compose 100 times with clover, you get 100 mark from 100 rb, and 300 mark from main attribute improvement. Lets say you add 10 pentice rb to it (or 10 ID composing, and the red stone price is suddently a factor). The cost is 100 clovers + 100 minors + 10 prentice rb, and you get 410 mark. Now lets say you do not use clovers, and you need to do 110 composing to get the same 300 mark from main attributes. The cost is 110 minors and you get 410 mark. to get the same 410 mark, you used different things in these two ways, and they have different cost, depending on the price of the minors. Careful calculation can determine which one is cheaper.



But if your pet does not have rb left, you dont get the rb point from each composing anymore, you would have to re-do the calculation in the example above. This is why whether your pet has rb left is relevant. Maybe not that much difference, but it is relevant anyway.


I supposeee, But with all this god composing, no one is really caring about 1 point, they're all busy pay pal'ing and ramming EP onto there eudes, Lol.


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07-03-2009 12:35 PM   
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Was just wonderin, if you run outta rb times on a pet can you still use prentice rb times on said pet?
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08-20-2009 12:06 PM   
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YOU MORE THINB
YOU CAN!!!1
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use saint0`s X0`s for luck composing!
THat and when a pet reaches the next stage of mionors (e.g. 4.8*-->6*)
it will gain alot of pionts the first few times like 10-15


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09-07-2009 12:48 AM   
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very confused but i'll read more.


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09-13-2009 3:12 PM   
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Nice guide!! it will be needed when i will become a god!! (ha it will take some time)


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11-02-2009 7:56 AM   
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Can anyone update this yet for the start of 30* req? 140 or 150?



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