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Live with it already. It's part of the game. If you're going to whine about it, then just leave. PK=the whole point of this game. I've been PKed a lot too and trust me, I PK too. Use your common sense will you? If you don't want to get PKed, then just make a team full of people with high pots. Stay near your legion members or family members. Just go to adventure zones or something. If you don't want to get PKed, then raise your pot already. Find a mentor that's going to give you a lot of pots. Compose your pets to get more pots. Just stop whining about the whole PK system already. I don't even give a damn if I get PKed because I can have a legion member, PK him back. If you can't even defend yourself, then what's the whole point of playing?

Callousn3ss
Level:79
Server:LA
Legion:Dragon_Pegasus
Mentor:Angelasher
Potency:152
Pets:
*-Solstice-*:7 stars [VenusSage]
>-Revulsion-<:4 stars [WAD]
<*Sympathy*>:3 stars [MageTinna]
>**Copper**<:3 stars [CopperRhino]

I usually train at GloryField/Lava Forest in Volcano. [Adventure Zone] If you want to play with me, then meet me there.

NO one whining about it !!!...we're just asking TQ to improve the system...make conditions better than what they are right now ! For once listen the players and their problem...instead of giving them the usual 'Its a PK based game,live with it'

IGS : Sydney
IGN : Arthemist
IGC : Paladin

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Originally Posted by Zeth

Well tell people that they have to improve their freakin pot and get a better legion. If you read my post then you should realize what I'm talking about! And yes, people are whining about it because obviously, they can't defend themselves.

Edit:Oh and one more thing, those whiners are so damn stupid because they don't have the common sense to put in stuff in their warehouse. If you're expecting to be pked, then put all your stuff in the warehouse. Such morons...

Last edited by Callousn3ss on 04-21-2008 at 02:00:21 PM.

just one question for you Callous, what do you feel about you were killing a boss and someone decided, well i dont have the work, i will kill him and take the drops, nice isnt it? and that is a high top player? well, hope that you dont experiment that :P

That is all :P

The Legion system needs to be improved, because i cant see the members of my Legion, because even that you need eps, no comment...how can i join a competive Legion if i can`t see members, lol
well i´m admired why didn`t they charge EP for inspection your gear, wow that`s right, is for the ppl that makes pk see and match potency freely :P

Last edited by shemeikellpt on 04-21-2008 at 02:15:24 PM.

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Originally Posted by shemeikellpt

I already did experience that like yesterday. Again, I don't care because it's the reason why I'm still playing. I'm trying to get more pot and better equipment. BB.

well, but if, that system get´s more fairly, it turns more fascinating no? Do you think fair to newbies beeing suject like that? They dont understand nothing in game, and get stealed/owned/motives to quit the game, and face a system where nobody "Npc´s" explain´s how to make pk, and how to avoid pk, i think that as flaws in the game...

I didn`t understand why the choosing of domain in the char`s if this pk system don`t protect players from the same alignment :P "I know its for choosing side on wars". Still i think as in reallity there are 2 factions cops vs bandits, so this game should have the 2 them, as paladin to restore order by killing 2 much pk users :P

I think that as justice, and the perfect condition to the ones that don`t like this system of pk as me :P

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Originally Posted by shemeikellpt

Sigh... I'll repeat it again. If they can't defend themselves they should do the following:Join a legion that can defend them, join a team full of people high pots, get a mentor!

They should also raise their pots and crap.

If they don't have the common sense to do all this, then good luck to them. I'm just sick of whiners with no common sense.

u guys and ur crap -.- first off this post sounds similar to the one i made long time ago <.<
second...i stand by callous' statement...recently...only noobs have been joinin this game thinking they all safe....well guess wat, u aint safe in any game....live with it or gamin isnt ur thing...so wat if someone kses my boss, ks them back or get em on kos list...u have friends in this game...if u dont, well make some duh :p...and if someone is stalkin u, make him/her turn blk and broadcast that the person is blknamed and he/she'll get mobbed...if u read clearly...the site says the game is PK BASED....u complainers r ruinin the last bit of fun left in this game...there no mmo if theres no pkin...go play maplestroy where its safe u foobs

not protectin noobs? hm...cronus and misty r both pk free...and in DM & gobi u cant pk players lower than 35...in that time...they should be either readin the site about all the details they need or learn from experience...dont give me this crap about low lvl players dont know where to go or wat to do...there's forums to ask questions and site for selfexplainitory...

noobs gettin pked all the time....hm...justice?...hm....i mean "playerkill"...."kill"...so as in justice u mean no killin? or as in gettin punished...well ye pkers r gettin punished by gettin red named and equip drops...and the jail part...if theres toooo much justice well then theres no pkin and it defeats the point of the pk system...

Summoner Lvl 128
INA General

People who fear death will see hollow darkness...People who face death will see Honor and Glory

I think you are right Callousness!

.:|When The Sun Shines We'll Shine Together|:.

i went to jail 8 times to day because i was bored.but unfortinaly lost my super +3 armor =(

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Originally Posted by nero

Glad to hear you agree with me. I'm serious. What's the point of playing if you can't PK or defend yourself? I find them pathetic.

Here's my pet peeve against PK'ing. I've never been a fan of it, never have, never will. It's nothing more than one person's way to show that he/she owns you in this game. I've learned to run faster than I fight back back when I was a new player, and even at my current level, I will still tend to run faster than I fight back in captive mode. I'm on a borderline level 9 / level 10 legion that is anti-PK and enemyless, but we lack the pot sharing abilities that lvl 10 power legions has because we are anti-PK. As a deputy, I earn only as much potency as a lieutenant may earn on one of our server's power legions. People with the powerful pets tends to ignore anti-PK legions because they love concept of PK'ing. I've never loved PK, but that's my opinion, and I respect other player's own opinion.

However, here is my take on the whole PK system. PK is nothing more than a system to drive you to get better potency. Potency drives *everything* in this game, and how do you get it? Better gear, better legion, better pets, mentors. And how do you get those things? Mainly through EP via boss hunting, "balling" (exp ball creating), and buying/selling/trading in town, or, what TQ really wants you to do, buy EP directly.

Potency drives everything, but herein lies the flaw in the whole system: this game will *never* be a truly balanced game. This game will *ALWAYS* favor what I call the power players in the game: those with 400+ potency easily because they essentially *OWN* probably 80 to 90 percent of the other players in the game. This game will *ALWAYS* favor the handful of power legions in the game that shares the most potency with its members. Because of potency, players with high potency can PK and KS you while you boss hunt, they can PK you to steal whatever treasures or gold you might have found in the game and may have in your inventory bag that you are bringing back to the warehouse for safe storage. Because of potency, powerful legions with high shared pot will always get more powerful due to their pot sharing ability, and budding legions have a hard time establishing a strong foothold in the game due to their lack of shared potency. I've read the complaints about the lack of participants in legion wars, and why? Because the 80 to 90 percent of the players realize that with their pot level, they have absolutely *no* chance in legion wars against higher potency players, so why participate in a losing cause for your character?

So ... what are your options to improving your potency so that you can defend yourself (in my case) or to become a better PK'er (for those into PK'ing) when you find yourself constantly losing your few sources of earning EP (for those who do not pay to play) caused by PK during boss hunt or balling? You either have to learn to be a better businessman in town, or you are forced to go buy EP, which I'm certain is the main driving force behind the whole PK and potency system. EP drives everything in this game: it lets you buy the better gear, better pets from other players or composable pets. And what do you expect? This is not just a "free" game, this is a business, and any business' job is to earn money.

I've had many friends in this game who has quit because of their frustration with the whole unbalanced nature of the PK system. I've also had many friends who has quit because they realizes that they have absolutely no chance of ever being a "respected" power player in this game without succumbing themselves ... sacrificing their obligations and their sanity in real life ... to boss hunt or ball or do business 24/7 in marketplace just to earn the measly few EP to allow them to buy the better gear or build the ultimate pet to become a power player. I've had many friends who might have chosen to pay to play occasionally but decided against it because they realize that there is absolutely no point in this game whatsoever other than PK'ing, building pets, or the occasional questing in this game which has gotten quite monotonous. I've had many friends, myself included, where we try to build our own legions, only to realize that without a lot of funding or power players who actually give a hoot about our "newbie" legions with almost no potency sharing ability, our new legions have no chance to become a power legion in this game, and we end up dismissing or mothballing our legions.

I'm more than guilty of my fair share of paying to play. And why? Because I got driven by "potency chasing" in this game to stay alive against PKers and try to stay up with my friends in this "potency chasing game". Like many of my closest friends in this game who's quit, my priorities in life got shifted so badly because of this game and trying to play catchup to other players in this game. I don't have the time like *certain* players in this game to play 24/7. I have a full time career, and I never could justify spending 12-18 hours of my time just to earn the equivalent of $16 in EP points when I earn multiples of that in one hour, and even a kid who would work a minimum wage job could earn that in 2-3 hours. I don't see any honor in people KS'ing lower potency players while they boss hunt because these folks have absolutely no chance in protecting themselves in the field. It's nothing more than a thug's way of life: to steal from the poor to feed the rich. And in this game, the rich always gets richer, while the poor always get poorer. Where's the equality in that? And as new players in this game realize that, many quit. That's why at least on my server, you can see that peddlers are now having all sorts of problems getting the same value for their stuff that they used to get a month or more ago. So consider this: the more you PK, the more you chase away prospective new players who want to play for fun and not for the PK. The more players you chase away, the less player pool you have on the server, which means the less people you can sell your stuff for EP. The less EP you get for your stuff, the harder it will be, especially for the non-Paypallers, to buy the composable eggs or pets you need to build up or keep your pets ranked high enough for extra potency for your character. I'm probably still one of the rare foolish ones who will still Paypal just because I like building and collecting pets for fun, but I already know that it's because of the whole concept of PK (especially with this upcoming item lock that we still don't know whether that means the end of red-named or black-named players dropping gears when they're on a PK rampage) and pot chasing that has pushed me to the point where I know when I stop playing this game and, consequently, TQ loses a paying player.

Wararm
Pet sculpture collector / Legion totem reinforcer
Deputy, Heroic_Knights
Los Angeles server
Level 123
43x

47* Lulu
44* Diana
40* Nana
35* BronzeRhino
32* WarriorNeil
32* & 30* BloodSages (Forever Projects #1)
30* & 30* VenusSages (Forever Projects #2)
26* RubyDino
And a bucketful of sub-26* project/adopted pets ....

Former P2P-er for capital investments until I saw the light at the end of the tunnel :)

And what is wrong with a game with a PK *SYSTEM* instead of free-for-all ganking by higher pot players on damn power trips?

TQ can also develop a PK system where there are at least some limitations instead of lawless killing lol. Sure you get jailed, you waste some time. That's a crap penalty, tbh.

I'm not saying I never pk noobs, cause I have three or four times. But I never touch their drops, and should they drop something valuable, I would pick it up and return it.

IGN: Aerostrife
Level: 123
Legion: Ragelanders
Spouse: MisterBlake <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

Austin 36*
Thunder Austin 40*
Thunder Diana 39*
Thunder King St.Bear 26*

Live like there's no tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by Aerostrife

I agree. The only "Checks and Balance" system that currently exists in this game is a.) jail time, or b.) the possibility of you losing your equipped gear if you get PK'd while rednamed or blacknamed. But seriously, a.) means what, you walk away for a few minutes to use the restroom or get something to eat or drink while your PK count go down and then you can go back on your power trip rampage, and b.) not only might the item lock function now do away with this dropping gear completely (since this is still up for debate), but assuming we're talking about a really high potency player on a power trip, only a select few even has a chance to PK them when they're rednamed or blacknamed! There really is no good system to offer a check against folks on a power trip, and if they do away with dropping gears completely because of the item lock, which I would think really *is* the one true checks-and-balance against full-time PKers due to the fear of losing your expensive equipment, then even more players who's sick and tired of PK will leave the game, shrinking the gaming pool even further, and depressing prices even more than it has become as of late in the game. Everyone loses in this game when more people quit - the folks who are out to make EP in this game (for gaming purposes or to exchange for real currency), the folks out to make new friends in this game, and more importantly, TQ losing paying customers to fund for this and all their other games.

At best, I've PK'd only 7 players in the eight months that I've played, of which only three were done in PK mode to protect my apprentices while they boss hunt from known KSers or were upleveling in Cata Zone. And in all three instances, the owner's items (and in one case, their expensive boot because she was a redname) were returned to them because I've never been one out to make EP in this game through the looting of other players since I'm an older mature player who plays for fun and not for a business. The rest were done in captive mode, which I feel is the only true mode for those who don't like PK but will do it only in self-defense. And yes, on the rare occasions where I do boss hunt, I firmly believe that whomever finds it first deserves to have the monster because I feel it is the most honorable thing to do. In certain instances, I will help to protect lower potency gamers, even if I don't know them, so that they can earn what they found first. If I find a monster first, but some other player shows up later, I'm more than willing to share some of my loot with them in exchange for their patience and their willingness to not purposely kill my boss out of spite that I found it first. Frankly, I find more honor in doing that to gain the respect of players as a honorable friend and fair gamer to all than to be a PKer and gain the respect of players through fear of your PK potential.

Last edited by Sparhawk on 04-22-2008 at 11:30:18 AM.

honor morals respect...yes, as a mature person u should follow these...but as a gamer it is totally different...u got ur ways i got my ways...(nothing personal or anythin of course) yes sometimes i do feel sorry for them cause they lost a very expensive item, but in some cases when they deserved to get pked (red named blk named or just an ass who has good stuff on his invet)...

yes the "pot system" sucks as sparhawks pointed out but u cant take that complaint on the pkin system...this game or as in TQ's games, its all pk based...other games that have a pk system arent pk based as eo and they have a more cruel punishment for pkers...but since this game idea is to pk its less strict...

in most games...if a player is higher lvl than u, u can still get a gang and mob that player...here, ye, if ur pot sucks it doesnt matter if u mob the enemy unless ur team's pot only has a small difference individually from the enemy...

still...i stand by callous' statement...if this was about pot system then ye id complain too...IMO the pot system is made because tq is lazy in actually makin up stats and tryin to balance each char and the fact about paypalin...

Summoner Lvl 128
INA General

People who fear death will see hollow darkness...People who face death will see Honor and Glory

So...one cannot be a gamer AND be mature??? lol!!!!

I agree 110% with Sparhawk...that was a very thoughtful post. And I agree with Aerostrife.

There is no honor is being a bully. Now that I'm stronger, I seek out bullies and pk them, if I can.

Character names: Bastsheba - Mage
~*Galadriel*~ - Paladin
Legion: Eclipce - Leader
Server: London
Stats: ever changing......

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Originally Posted by Sparhawk

And that's the reason why Heroic_Knights is boring... I joined that legion and left like a day later...

Lol, you can easily be a gamer and mature. I just don't feel comfortable stealing from people, find no pleasure or honor in it, so I don't do it.

If you're this way in the game, could you really be THAT different IRL? Values/morals-wise.

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Originally Posted by Aerostrife

That's what I think. If someone is going to be a bully in a game, what stops them from taking it to the next level?

Character names: Bastsheba - Mage
~*Galadriel*~ - Paladin
Legion: Eclipce - Leader
Server: London
Stats: ever changing......