In EO, potency is almost everything (actually the atk/def stats are the determinitive factors, but potency is such a dominatant element in atk/def stats, it is no wonder why potency is viewed by many as the only factor). There are many components in potency - character level, gears (including gems, bonus), society (legion, family, mentor), and finally and most importantly, the quality of the pets. Of all the components that go into potency, all can be made the same for top players except the quality of the pets. There is one important factor that affects the highest possible quality of a pet, and more and more high potency players have come to realize this, that is the reborn limit of the pet. The name of the game is (and have always been) composing. How do you make your pets higher quality than your competitors given the limit of the reborn times? 1. The choice of pets 2. Control your own fate in main composing 3. Achieve the best result in sub and init composing 4. Back to ground zero 0 - Do you really want to play the composing game? Last edited by CantRemember on 04-02-2008 at 01:57:16 PM.

1. The choice of pets Two important factors about choice of pets: RB Limit and star mark gain per main composing. With the exception of Lulu and Dodo, every pet has virtually 2600 rb times. Some pets have less than that but they have initial stars to make it up. If you add the init stars to the rb limit you always get 2600. Note that the initial stars is basically the same as ID composing. For example, if you ID compose a WAD 280 times, you get a 2.8* WAD with nothing else different from a regular WAD, except the RB limit is reduced by 280, which is the same like a lot of other warrior pets. Strangely enough, it is better if the initial stars are less, because the main composing on average gives more than 1 star mark. A good example is super euds vs phantoms. They are almost identical, the intial star is 5.5 for super euds (hence rb limit is 2050), and 6* for phantoms (rb limit 2000). The super euds can be main composed 50 times more than phantoms. Because each main composing is expected to have 2 marks (when it is very high star), super euds are expected to have 1 more max possible stars than phantoms. Following this logic, if everything else was held the same, pets with no intial stars will be the best choice. But the problem is, there are other factors need to be considered. That is the star mark gain per main compose (SMGMC). SMGMC differs a lot among pets, and is roughly proportional to the number of main attributes. Lulus and dodos have 5 main attributes, they get a lot of SMGMC than others. On the other hand, PDEF and MDEF have only 1 main attributes, and is very hard to get to high star with main composing because of their pathetic SMGMC. Many experienced players will be quick to point out two exceptions - PdefMdef and Rex/Neil. To be continued by me or any other players who want to contribute

Wow, "interesting" discussion. Question: What about RB sphere? Can't you just keep adding one more RB time indefinitely, composing infinitely, or do you run up against a RB limit?

Step One - Buy an outrageous amount of ep Step Two - Say damn that went hella fast Step Three - Buy another outrageous amount of ep Step Four - Say wow this is getting expensive Step Five - Return to step one and repeat! Main composing all the way with proper minor requirements bla bla bla no reds, no super rebirths and no mentor reborns and you would still be struggling and never get back out of a pet what you put in it.

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Yes, that is pretty much what you need to do. However, it is not guarantteed all pets can be made 90* even if you do all these correctly. That will the the main point of this topic Also dont lose sight of what you are trying to do here - you just want an edge over your fellow players. As long as you can get more pot from pets than you most hated enemy, you win. It is a race not against 90*, but a race against other players. If you had spent same amout of eps but ended of 1 less pot than your enemy and no way to add more, i am sure you would quit after that fisco. Re: RB Sphere - max 250. Can't add more than 250. They are the same for all pets. So no need to consider that in this discussion. BTW: last time i heard from some friends - 82* pet in chinese server about 1 month ago Last edited by CantRemember on 04-02-2008 at 02:31:00 PM.

kudos to you!

Callousn3ss
Level:79
Server:LA
Legion:Dragon_Pegasus
Mentor:Angelasher
Potency:152
Pets:
*-Solstice-*:7 stars [VenusSage]
>-Revulsion-<:4 stars [WAD]
<*Sympathy*>:3 stars [MageTinna]
>**Copper**<:3 stars [CopperRhino]

I usually train at GloryField/Lava Forest in Volcano. [Adventure Zone] If you want to play with me, then meet me there.

Quote: Originally Posted by CantRemember Good to know. Does super rebirth count as 1 or 10?

Quote: Originally Posted by Dyrge3 Super rebirth counts as 10.

wow~ nice tips

Current top 10 pets in the other version start at 89.31* and go to 99.75* and has 2783 Reborns Last edited by Fantasy75 on 04-03-2008 at 09:14:56 AM.

~Fantasy~
Level 137 Warrior
Spouse ~Necro~

FantasyFlyer
Level 132 Mage
Spouse Necromantic

NecrosFantasy
Level 131 Paladin
Spouse xGimlix

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Los Angeles Server
Leader

Big minds talk about ideas; average minds talk about events; small minds talk about people.

Is this the same game? It doesnt look familar to me. Judging by its star mark, it must be PDMD. 2600+250-2783=67 still can be rb 67 times, can add 3 or 4 more stars. Could you find out what kind of pet is this, and what are the values of main attributes and the star mark for each attribute? Thanks This is not good, this is sad. The composing game is over. No mystery left to be solved. Although I have figured it out this by myself, but it is always intriguing to try to find the comfirmation of my theory. But now it leaves nothing to work on. Last edited by CantRemember on 04-03-2008 at 11:30:27 AM.

ya if you want to see the website http://my.top.91.com/ you can use google translator to translate the page. On the web it says anti = def and mafange = def so like for the warrior pdef it is anti something and for the mage mdef its something mafange so together my best guess would be mdefpdef but its only speculation.

~Fantasy~
Level 137 Warrior
Spouse ~Necro~

FantasyFlyer
Level 132 Mage
Spouse Necromantic

NecrosFantasy
Level 131 Paladin
Spouse xGimlix

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Los Angeles Server
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Let's side track a little bit before I continue on the choice of pets. In New York Server, there are 5 Warrior Lulus with 73* <3Mushra<3 RB time 1886, Star Mark 7377, Owner VikinG ~Dont~Cry~BaBe~ RB time 1970, Star Mark 7376, Owner DANG NEW_ORDER RB time 1870, Star Mark 7357, Owner DraGonAttAck Mushra RB time 1881, Star Mark 7357, Owner VikinG HaHaHa RB time 1884, Star Mark 7357, Owner DraGonAttAck It is easy to see DANG is doomed because his lulu already used up all RB times (1720+250=1970). Who will be the no.1 lulu in the end? I would go with NEW_ORDER (16 less RB used, only 20 marks less than <3Mushra<3). If everything maxed out, DraGonAttAck will have No.1 Lulu (congratulations, Sarah), projected to be around 76-77*. <3Mushra<33 is likely to be No.2. Mushra and HaHaHa can be No.3, depending on how exactly it played out. But it will be a deadly blow to the owner of No.4 Lulu (3 pot less!). So in New York, the owner of the No.3 Lulu when everyting maxed will be the last man (woman in DraGonAttAck case) standing. For DANG, the name of his lulu says it all. Last edited by CantRemember on 04-03-2008 at 03:54:03 PM.

It has been a long time since last post, but I will pick it up from where I left off. Last time I talked about SMGMC - Star Mark Gain per Main Compose and how they are related to the number of main attributes, and there were two exceptions - Rex/Neil, and PdefMef. Now Neil and Rex have only 1 main attribute HPGR. But they star up very fast, unlike other 1 or 2 main attribute pets. But after their Main attribute GR limit is broken, they are no different from any other pets - only get 2-3 mark pet main compose, and conistently 2 mark gain after 12* minor. Now there is something new I just mentioned - Star Mark Gain per Main Compose AFTER GR LIMIT BROKEN. It should be well known that GR LIMIT BROKEN point is the point when ANY of the main attribute exceeded the growth rate limit, AND it is the time when it requires 4.8 minor, and lvl 60 minor. After this point, the SMGMC dramatically decreases, 4.8* minor is a kind of grace period, when you still get decent SMGMC at the beginning, but quickly decreases to like 1-5 in the end when the requirement of the minor level approaches 70. This SMGMC stablizes at 1-5 after the minor is 6*, very rarely 4 or 5, more often 1,2,3, depedning on whether you use clovers. Let's call this SMGMC after 6* minor as SMGMC-6* for short. SMGMC-6* are the same for ALMOST all pets, including the exceptional REX/NEIL. In my experience the average SMGMC-6* is a little bit better than 2 (maybe 2.1 or 2.2?), when you use clovers. Lulu and Dodo seems to be slightly better, but I am not sure how much better (correct me here Lulu and Dodo experts). However, VERY importantly, there is one true exception here, that is PdefMef, with outstanding SMGMC-6* which is on average 3.5 in my experience. Now, lets take a step back and look at the components of the total star mark of a pet: Let A=Non-main attribute mark (initial star, star from init/sub attributes luck, and whatever other non main attribute mark), B=main attribute mark before 6* minor C=#Main compose after 6* minor , D= average SMGMC-6*, E =Total Number of RB The total star mark = A+B+C*D+E. A good pet would have high C and D, which calls for high D and high RB limit. Lulu and Dodo have high B, and D is better than most pets. They would have an outstand candidate if only their E is higher, but still very good. Neil/Rex also have pretty high B, but average D. Pets with more C apparently have some advantages (MAD/WAD/PDEF/MDEF/Patk/Matk/PDefMDef), but if their B is too low and D isnt good then not good overall. All these point to one kind of pet for making 90+* star - PdefMdef, the clearly best D, decent B, and C is among the highest if no ID composing. In my opinion, the clear advange of PDMD is actually a result of bad design on TQ's part. But I am not going diverage to that point. Before I conclude this post, let us look at two PDMD - Anthony's PDMD in New York ~Necro~'s PDMD in Las Vegar Server (By the way, Anthony will be the ultimate rule in NY, ahead of DraGonAttAtk and VikinG, for his two dodos and PDMD will beat the other two up easily, if no new pets/ppl emerging) Top Player page isnt work well, so let's look at the current PDMD next time. To be continued Last edited by CantRemember on 04-25-2008 at 12:44:12 AM.